From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from simark.ca by simark.ca with LMTP id ZueEOqL/Nmj6yjcAWB0awg (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 May 2025 08:20:50 -0400 Received: by simark.ca (Postfix, from userid 112) id DEC511E11C; Wed, 28 May 2025 08:20:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on simark.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.0 required=5.0 tests=ARC_SIGNED,ARC_VALID,BAYES_00, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 Received: from server2.sourceware.org (server2.sourceware.org [8.43.85.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by simark.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 885DC1E102 for ; Wed, 28 May 2025 08:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3680D38515D3 for ; Wed, 28 May 2025 12:20:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from eggs.gnu.org (eggs.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::10]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8AE6385701B for ; Wed, 28 May 2025 12:20:16 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org B8AE6385701B ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org B8AE6385701B ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1748434816; cv=none; b=PQnkcOSMgmT5EHZybrLAId3C7U1VR7QBhAVD5mavzNBh6/99sju1JFPtjRXcC/j2Pf36PfGDzEkU8hI0iIrXXql/z9aSVQcbEZwTGGVoAAooY53qyU9OYp0V5CDDzMWSaI3aVcJqUy1RjDVSNlnW5O9SG/da/aOA5KmH/upWGsA= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1748434816; c=relaxed/simple; bh=VrqYwQhKvCZMXKjbQa+QPpv56AuwGtgDAsWwgnNbKUc=; h=DKIM-Signature:Date:Message-Id:From:To:Subject; b=l1CEGQa3HcXUY0CX0bEXiqcFhUTeEmU7a6oXNMqRro7IpU1CCkJsK90ikOdRhYUMisfTU0iX9R+3+USF9hdrNyjlbH2awBFW5dU5ff7npzJU8zYdi8ItTpCfkw/S3asOVfUhBVxoTL54FysufIG6jvfqB+YmOPApHF26OkrYF3g= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; server2.sourceware.org Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uKFlV-0004aU-6W; Wed, 28 May 2025 08:20:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 15:19:36 +0300 Message-Id: <86ikllvsfb.fsf@gnu.org> To: Phi Debian Cc: psmith@gnu.org, guinevere@redhat.com, gdb@sourceware.org In-Reply-To: (message from Phi Debian via Gdb on Wed, 28 May 2025 09:33:09 +0200) Subject: Re: Improve GDB's first user experience by reducing "print_gdb_version" output References: <0bfd51f7-2246-475c-b171-8dde8474227a@redhat.com> X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Eli Zaretskii via Gdb Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: gdb-bounces~public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" > Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 09:33:09 +0200 > Cc: Guinevere Larsen , > "gdb@sourceware.org" > From: Phi Debian via Gdb > > FWIW lldb produce nothing > > $ lldb ./hw > (lldb) target create "./hw" > Current executable set to '/tmp/hw' (x86_64). > (lldb) > > > One could argue LLVM series is not GNU yet GCC don't produce nothing either > (even with -v) Unlike GDB, GCC is not an interactive program, so it produces this information in the output of "gcc --version" and "gcc --help". > The proposed minimal greeting is nice, or can be push further with no > greeting at all (like lldb) assuming gdb --help or man gdb would be the > starting point leading to apropos... That'd be going too far, IMO.