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In-Reply-To: <20260616110344.GI6729@gnu.wildebeest.org> X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-MFC-PROC-ID: Qe6_PxIUXo3fu7VC6NmVbOkYVaQhTSyD-QZNnfA7ylI_1781618033 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Carlos O'Donell via Gdb Reply-To: Carlos O'Donell Errors-To: gdb-bounces~public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" On 6/16/26 7:03 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2026 at 05:11:18PM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >> On 6/15/26 7:39 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > As explained to David nobody said you cannot talk about alternatives. > But that is something completely different from advertising the > specific use of a commercial, non-free, proprietary llm. I disagree. There is no hard bright line that distinguishes between what you call advertising and talking about the options. My position is to allow all such conversations between anyone on the list. Where I draw the line, and where it can be drawn is in what we write down in our documentation, likewise in our process. Such documentation should reference and require only FOSS tools. There have been several discussions about this on the gnu-prog mailing list. >> Sorry, could you please expand on the pattern you see? > > Just that the David and Carlos show seems to have this pattern of > maximal drama. Where you promote some corporate deal so "generous" > that people shouldn't question whether it is ethical, undermines the > community or the gnu project goals. Then when people obviously do > point out these issues you start attacking the community volunteers > that do the actual work and pick a needless fight with the FSF about > "purity" and "leadership". Thanks for clarifying. You and anyone else in the community are always free to ask questions. I disagree with the rest of your characterization of my actions. The fact that we disagree about certain non-technical direction doesn't mean we can't work together though in areas where we do agree. I was in the Sourceware office hours last week, and I plan to continue to do that to support and coordinate. -- Cheers, Carlos.