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([2804:14d:8084:9a69::1001]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a1e0cc1a2514c-87e1f03fcd0sm713800241.20.2025.05.28.05.30.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 May 2025 05:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7c0851e0-f62d-491e-b59a-33452f9eab9a@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 09:30:17 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Improve GDB's first user experience by reducing "print_gdb_version" output To: Mark Wielaard , psmith@gnu.org Cc: "gdb@sourceware.org" References: <0bfd51f7-2246-475c-b171-8dde8474227a@redhat.com> <20250528074401.GG11631@gnu.wildebeest.org> In-Reply-To: <20250528074401.GG11631@gnu.wildebeest.org> X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-MFC-PROC-ID: IEeJ-5GixTWD6OIOEHEKB3EQu7stz_TCZUWVOk5cxS8_1748435422 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Guinevere Larsen via Gdb Reply-To: Guinevere Larsen Errors-To: gdb-bounces~public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" On 5/28/25 4:44 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 05:38:57PM -0400, Paul Smith via Gdb wrote: >> On Tue, 2025-05-27 at 17:43 -0300, Guinevere Larsen via Gdb wrote: >>> I'm sending this here in case there is some rule that forces us to >>> write the copyright or free software status at initialization, before >>> spending the time to turn this into a patch. >> I had remembered that interactive programs should generate copyright >> information at startup, but the most I can find in the current GNU >> Maintainer's manual is > The GPL itself contains the recommendation at the end (after the > actual terms and conditions) in the section "How to Apply These Terms > to Your New Programs". It is even shorter than Guinevere's suggestion, > it recommends outputting just 4 lines: While shorter than my suggestion, it doesn't add any of the helpful things that a new user would want to know about GDB specifically, so we would need a couple more lines anyway. Considering that the license says "output a short notice *like* this" (emphasis mine), I would imagine we can alter it without trouble. In fact, on a first invocation of emacs, I'm greeted with only a screen that looks very different to that message, starting by welcoming users, offering a tutorial, a guided tour and a link to the manual before mentioning copyright or warranty, which is much friendlier to someone attempting to learn to use it on their own. -- Cheers, Guinevere Larsen She/Her/Hers > > If the program does terminal interaction, make it output a short > notice like this when it starts in an interactive mode: > > Copyright (C) > This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `show w'. > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; type `show c' for details. > > The hypothetical commands `show w' and `show c' should show the > appropriate parts of the General Public License. Of course, your > program's commands might be different; for a GUI interface, you > would use an "about box". > > Cheers, > > Mark >