From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16136 invoked by alias); 30 Jul 2008 09:25:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 16083 invoked by uid 22791); 30 Jul 2008 09:25:45 -0000 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from web27206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (HELO web27206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.96) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with SMTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:25:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 37538 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 09:25:14 -0000 Received: from [83.103.117.254] by web27206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:25:14 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:55:00 -0000 From: Salvatore Lionetti Reply-To: salvatorelionetti@yahoo.it Subject: Re: Move GDB to C++ ? To: gdb@sources.redhat.com, Vladimir Prus In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <738794.37443.qm@web27206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact gdb-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: gdb-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2008-07/txt/msg00316.txt.bz2 Hi to all, i'm looking in symbol management and dwarf module. - i think now is the time to refactor, expecially of interfaces between sub= system - Language should be a secondary issue, also if for example try cacth is b= etter if offered by host language;) - I'm available to work to same piece of code, expecially on symbol managem= ent. Have a good day --- Mer 30/7/08, Vladimir Prus ha scritto: > Da: Vladimir Prus > Oggetto: Re: Move GDB to C++ ? > A: gdb@sources.redhat.com > Data: Mercoled=EC 30 luglio 2008, 09:18 > Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > >> From: Vladimir Prus > > >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:28:05 +0400 > >>=20 > >> 1. GDB is made compiled with C++ compiler, with > resulting errors removed. > >> 2. I refactor struct value, and folks get to > comment if the resulting code > >> is better, or worse, than what we have. > >>=20 > >> Comments? > >=20 > > My only comment is a question: what for? I simply > don't see the > > intended purpose or the goal of this. > >=20 > > I happen to manage software projects for a living, and > whenever we > > need to upgrade or change some of our tools, it is > always because we > > need to do something that is impossible or very > inconvenient with the > > existing ones. We never do it out of some abstract > wish of "improving > > the design" or "refactoring" for their > own sake. > >=20 > > So will someone please tell, loud and clear: what do > we want to do the > > day after GDB is rewritten in C++? Let's suppose > that we magically > > fast-forward to the day after everything was > refactored and GDB is > > 110% pure, OO, C++ -- what will we do the next day > that we cannot or > > have difficulties doing today? >=20 > As you surely know, most languages are Turing-complete, so > you can > do everything in any language, including assembler. The > goal,=20 > purely, is to spend less time fighting with the language, > and more=20 > time doing useful things. >=20 > > Unless we can answer this question, refactoring and > rewriting is > > simply waste of resources, nothing less, nothing more. >=20 > And here, you also surely know what is generally goal of > refactoring -- > to make code simpler and more amendable for future change. > This naturally > means that you need either some immediate change to make, > or general > idea what will block many future changes. I do think that > struct value > needs refactoring -- because I know that adding new kind of > value was > a pain in current codebase. I do think that target stack > needs cleanup, > because we ran in some inconveniences during non-stop work, > and because > multi-process work will have to change it seriously.=20 >=20 > Those areas do need to be refactored to be hackable-on, and > such refactoring > better make use of a language suited for OOP -- which those > areas try to > approximate using C, now. >=20 > - Volodya Posta, news, sport, oroscopo: tutto in una sola pagina.=20 Crea l'home page che piace a te! www.yahoo.it/latuapagina