From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from simark.ca by simark.ca with LMTP id e9Y1KrQtMWqBCQoAWB0awg (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2026 07:04:20 -0400 Received: by simark.ca (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9C27F1E098; Tue, 16 Jun 2026 07:04:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on simark.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=ARC_SIGNED,ARC_VALID,BAYES_00, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 Received: from vm01.sourceware.org (vm01.sourceware.org [38.145.34.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange x25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by simark.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94BD51E024 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2026 07:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vm01.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB545490140A for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2026 11:04:17 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org EB545490140A Received: from gnu.wildebeest.org (gnu.wildebeest.org [45.83.234.184]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EDF14AA3941; Tue, 16 Jun 2026 11:03:45 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 0EDF14AA3941 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=klomp.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=klomp.org ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org 0EDF14AA3941 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=45.83.234.184 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1781607825; cv=none; b=IWO6HimoTFlImEfqor/cxx5NAhqUzUxEcvEMsHK4T/VfA2ZD4Q0mu8gS6/iC1rxSN76i7vwrRKtKBJEvX3/BR4hg9t//OHycyQwAqWzFW3VcEeIw6+87lPzIKTiVKtqKKKkHKWpjHWZqQJh6vrmjR24IgS+0mJv0+lN+MCTCc7A= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1781607825; c=relaxed/simple; bh=B/sdT7bUOXhKLkiA6ZO7f1uR1jBMXuLfY+AhR2obDhA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version; b=hV+GLSdpRj8dmPB+y6EFzAkqCUPGAUDVjJgGPG7Pk8SY5vfV0mwU4uvd6Zq8B7rFIUIkjuLiJwD0lfN2DARlQ4Uck1jHf31RDo/gs3DFlngI43zMIG4+Ey80oeW4eIhLOsN0LSBzuBYoV0IL8iEPwiEHLkBzVlDLN308nrM3A94= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; sourceware.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 0EDF14AA3941 Received: by gnu.wildebeest.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 148C13032F85; Tue, 16 Jun 2026 13:03:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2026 13:03:44 +0200 From: Mark Wielaard To: Carlos O'Donell Cc: Andrew Pinski , Adhemerval Zanella Netto , glibc developers , gdb developers Subject: Re: Nominations for =?utf-8?Q?Anthropic?= =?utf-8?B?4oCZcw==?= Claude for Open Source program Message-ID: <20260616110344.GI6729@gnu.wildebeest.org> References: <5c2e18dd-807c-4331-b12c-a5b17b256f5b@linaro.org> <32efa4408237f7c0c19be0aa79c8f75a2df6e2ab.camel@klomp.org> <5158b893-6bb4-4856-acc8-876157671f34@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5158b893-6bb4-4856-acc8-876157671f34@redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: gdb-bounces~public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" Hi Carlos, On Mon, Jun 15, 2026 at 05:11:18PM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > On 6/15/26 7:39 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > >On Fri, 2026-06-12 at 16:11 -0700, Andrew Pinski via Gdb wrote: > >>All of this talk about llm and llm reviews is off-topic for this list. > >>Including the original email is off-topic and should not have been sent. > > > >Agreed, promoting the use of a commercial, non-free, proprietary llm > >through a saas model is not appropriate and off-topic for the GNU > >development lists. > > I disagree. > > For all the reasons David lists here and more: > https://inbox.sourceware.org/gcc/CAGWvnyk1x47jPWs3ML01J-TrgKt8ByALj3HzPpZodVS_73VSBg@mail.gmail.com/ > > We should always be able to *talk* about non-free alternatives, how to use > them, what they do, how to create alternatives, and how to move away from them. As explained to David nobody said you cannot talk about alternatives. But that is something completely different from advertising the specific use of a commercial, non-free, proprietary llm. > >>Carlos, > >> Can you step down from the llm gcc working group for this email since it > >>shows a conflict of interest of prompting one product. Plus it shows poor > >>taste of sending out an email about a non free product to a mailing list > >>about glibc development. > >>Can I also ask you to step down from CoC for violating the CoC here? > > > >Yeah. It is hard to not see a pattern here. But not sure it is enough > >for banning someone. And we all make mistakes from time to time. But we > >do want to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. > Sorry, could you please expand on the pattern you see? Just that the David and Carlos show seems to have this pattern of maximal drama. Where you promote some corporate deal so "generous" that people shouldn't question whether it is ethical, undermines the community or the gnu project goals. Then when people obviously do point out these issues you start attacking the community volunteers that do the actual work and pick a needless fight with the FSF about "purity" and "leadership". Cheers, Mark