From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from simark.ca by simark.ca with LMTP id JwaINZcXOmjDBjsAWB0awg (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 30 May 2025 16:39:51 -0400 Received: by simark.ca (Postfix, from userid 112) id C8E7E1E102; Fri, 30 May 2025 16:39:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on simark.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.0 required=5.0 tests=ARC_SIGNED,ARC_VALID,BAYES_00, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 Received: from server2.sourceware.org (server2.sourceware.org [8.43.85.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by simark.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 071021E0C2 for ; Fri, 30 May 2025 16:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D58385703C for ; Fri, 30 May 2025 20:39:50 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org A1D58385703C Received: from gnu.wildebeest.org (gnu.wildebeest.org [45.83.234.184]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1BAB3858D20 for ; Fri, 30 May 2025 20:39:02 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org B1BAB3858D20 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=klomp.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=klomp.org ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org B1BAB3858D20 Authentication-Results: server2.sourceware.org; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=45.83.234.184 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1748637542; cv=none; b=QZa73FQxF9B0u2+/lGbZ0qmGIT8Lr2kOM5nqkYtdF3lvf789j+Nb0Bm5OOKM4wl80Jmfqd7IxYHUwzjuuXpadT3f/GFJjjxR8Tjifq9YNHvK+TNdSbBzSzW54TO80wKetJRyiJHC+Au/Lud0XYaccCN59vfMIwZphO4PFC4g3e8= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1748637542; c=relaxed/simple; bh=lppdRSVh/5I20b6VtZBTrLJAcnkDuyoU3F4hH4F1czI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version; b=PiRUgDi6w3QfQadUB96EWp10eRzgWLlzEnbxudCowAo9hQ8lxOJ1qqS4z/UjK7xrrm4o6fA9EkIIEsKK4mY9cFNGUcff3EQSs1uCQt/8nsVNbmeYfmR6bQw/6Z1yyKiKjIUxxqR6u5SvdMWsE09PNM0FARWufrY3QaO+iIv7uhs= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; server2.sourceware.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org B1BAB3858D20 Received: by gnu.wildebeest.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BC572303C2A0; Fri, 30 May 2025 22:39:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 22:39:01 +0200 From: Mark Wielaard To: Florian Weimer Cc: psmith@gnu.org, Guinevere Larsen , "gdb@sourceware.org" Subject: Re: Improve GDB's first user experience by reducing "print_gdb_version" output Message-ID: <20250530203901.GC15893@gnu.wildebeest.org> References: <0bfd51f7-2246-475c-b171-8dde8474227a@redhat.com> <20250528074401.GG11631@gnu.wildebeest.org> <877c1yjqcj.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877c1yjqcj.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: gdb-bounces~public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" Hi, On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 01:22:04PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Mark Wielaard: > >> I had remembered that interactive programs should generate copyright > >> information at startup, but the most I can find in the current GNU > >> Maintainer's manual is > > > > The GPL itself contains the recommendation at the end (after the > > actual terms and conditions) in the section "How to Apply These Terms > > to Your New Programs". It is even shorter than Guinevere's suggestion, > > it recommends outputting just 4 lines: > > It also contains a rule that if the notice is present, you must not > remove it and distribute the result: It does define the "Appropriate Legal Notices" as the copyright, no warrenty notice and how to view the license. And they can be collapsed into one menu/command/option item if a list of them is presented. > | An interactive user interface displays "Appropriate Legal Notices" > | to the extent that it includes a convenient and prominently visible > | feature that (1) displays an appropriate copyright notice, and (2) > | tells the user that there is no warranty for the work (except to the > | extent that warranties are provided), that licensees may convey the > | work under this License, and how to view a copy of this License. If > | the interface presents a list of user commands or options, such as a > | menu, a prominent item in the list meets this criterion. > > | d) If the work has interactive user interfaces, each must display > | Appropriate Legal Notices; however, if the Program has interactive > | interfaces that do not display Appropriate Legal Notices, your > | work need not make them do so. > > I don't know what the rules are for removing it upstream. I don't think there are different rules for up or downstream. You only have to preserve those lines of the notice that fall under the "Appropriate Legal Notices". Cheers, Mark