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Eigler" , Overseers mailing list , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , binutils@sourceware.org References: <20221013182529.sm76fysq37sv754x@cgf.cx> <9c0a9111-07b1-3617-c5c8-4b12e616f985@gotplt.org> <7abeb179-2c05-eee9-bd68-3b5f8a11bd32@gotplt.org> <87zgdmyg30.fsf@fsf.org> <230909ee-fb2c-cca0-abbe-fd7d6434efab@gotplt.org> <20221023151640.GA8034@redhat.com> <0bac951e-8f5e-deb6-c126-26d5fbd0bbfe@gotplt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Christopher Faylor via Gdb Reply-To: Christopher Faylor Cc: Siddhesh Poyarekar , Overseers mailing list , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org, gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , "Frank Ch. Eigler" , binutils@sourceware.org Errors-To: gdb-bounces+public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 11:01:34AM -0600, Jeff Law wrote: >On 10/23/22 10:07, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: >>>If you're trying to suggest that overseers, contrary to our repeated >>>public statements, wish to block all migration, that is untrue and you >>>will need to retract this. >> >>Here's a more precise statement: Two of the overseers are leaders of >>projects hosted on sourceware and three overseers (including those two) >>have stated clearly on multiple occasions that transitioning to LF IT >>is off the table, effectively announcing their decision on behalf of >>projects they lead.  It is hence clear that the overseers have >>effectively blocked full migration of sourceware to LF IT. > >They can make those decisions for the projects they lead.  But making >the decision or setting criteria for other projects is highly >unreasonable. This is not, IMO, helping. On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:25:29PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: >We'd like to assure the communities that, when and if any individual >project formally expresses the decision of their developers to transfer >their services, we'll endeavor to make the move as smooth as possible. >Those projects that wish to stay will continue to receive the best >services that the overseers can offer, with the ongoing assistance of >Red Hat, the SFC, and, when relevant, the FSF tech team. We can't help move anyone without first establishing some kind of criteria. The only reasonable criteria is a formal request from the project being moved. As an exercise in human psychology, these insinuations of anticipated unhelpfulness *can* eventually be a self-fullfilling prophecy, though. i.e., if you really do not *want* any help with any transitions of projects then, just keep implying, despite evidence to the contrary, that we might be unreasonable jerks.