From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from simark.ca by simark.ca with LMTP id DLmgGPJAPGPdcwUAWB0awg (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 10:19:30 -0400 Received: by simark.ca (Postfix, from userid 112) id 572BD1E112; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 10:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Authentication-Results: simark.ca; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=sourceware.org header.i=@sourceware.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=default header.b=wjqU/Ftw; dkim-atps=neutral X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on simark.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RDNS_DYNAMIC,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: from sourceware.org (ip-8-43-85-97.sourceware.org [8.43.85.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by simark.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F188C1E0CB for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 10:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891B3385C335 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 14:19:29 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 891B3385C335 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sourceware.org; s=default; t=1664893169; bh=yHYvzvVu9mB/Wx46PAwXnrVVwSl2auqj0RDUSbyaDTw=; h=Date:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe:From:Reply-To:Cc: From; b=wjqU/Ftwfr02Mjvo4gW2WT2KfRaoueUkldxK1jnB9xeVyHy0ZBSpaxVgdPgpt9FaB qrXsLgd0lsqxAagXJhKx34+Ba0y2HMLRfxqyGRT8wSKyrxXA9nGGZo+2VymNX3pBZO 3CCgFRksBRJ8HD2yRh7ydIrOmDn3XPP8rzD+bpYM= Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.133.124]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C80443858CDA for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 14:19:03 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org C80443858CDA Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast-mx02.redhat.com [66.187.233.88]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-296-0q3pmof3MKaDwQURiZtKlw-1; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 10:19:02 -0400 X-MC-Unique: 0q3pmof3MKaDwQURiZtKlw-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B32AF85530D; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 14:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (unknown [10.2.17.198]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92C3B2027062; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 14:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fche by redhat.com with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1ofilA-0004T1-FF; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 10:19:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 10:19:00 -0400 To: Overseers mailing list Subject: Re: The GNU Toolchain Infrastructure Project Message-ID: <20221004141900.GA15858@redhat.com> References: <6f6d141b-b776-8707-2c91-dc38d20aa9e1@gotplt.org> <9ec804c9-1bbe-42ac-07a4-69df5c83b559@gotplt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9ec804c9-1bbe-42ac-07a4-69df5c83b559@gotplt.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.0 (2019-05-25) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.1 on 10.11.54.4 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: "Frank Ch. Eigler via Gdb" Reply-To: "Frank Ch. Eigler" Cc: Siddhesh Poyarekar , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org, gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , "Frank Ch. Eigler" , binutils@sourceware.org Errors-To: gdb-bounces+public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" Hi - > > > [...] I think the LF proposal is the best long term way forward for > > > the GNU toolchain projects to remain competitive *and* Free. [...] > > > > Can you elaborate what risks in terms of competitiveness or freedom > > you foresee with the status quo? This is the first I recall hearing > > of this concern. > > I don't see a risk to freedom. The GNU toolchain is quite underfunded > compared to llvm/clang and IMO it's a major risk to maintain status quo on > that front. The GTI opens new avenues for funding aspects of the GNU > toolchain without affecting its core governance. What aspects of the gnu toolchain are open to being funded via the LF/GTI proposal, -other than- the vast majority of the funds being redirected to its own managed services infrastructure? - FChE