From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10303 invoked by alias); 19 Mar 2010 10:19:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 10293 invoked by uid 22791); 19 Mar 2010 10:19:41 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,ZMIde_GENERICSPAM1 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from smtp.nokia.com (HELO mgw-mx06.nokia.com) (192.100.122.233) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:19:35 +0000 Received: from vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh106.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.32]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o2JAJHaD008606 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:19:32 +0200 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:19:19 +0200 Received: from mgw-da01.ext.nokia.com ([147.243.128.24]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:19:19 +0200 Received: from gar.localnet (berwst16747.europe.nokia.com [172.25.167.47]) by mgw-da01.ext.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o2JAJGwO004266 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:19:17 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-15?q?Andr=E9_P=F6nitz?= To: gdb@sourceware.org Subject: Re: Getting pissed off by gdb. Please help with stepping in. Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:19:00 -0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.2 (Linux/2.6.31-19-generic; KDE/4.3.2; i686; ; ) References: <11611.203.63.255.139.1268879984.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com> <831vfhv2s5.fsf@gnu.org> <201003181953.o2IJr9MV006009@glazunov.sibelius.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <201003181953.o2IJr9MV006009@glazunov.sibelius.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201003191120.24303.andre.poenitz@nokia.com> X-Nokia-AV: Clean Mailing-List: contact gdb-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: gdb-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2010-03/txt/msg00168.txt.bz2 On Thursday 18 March 2010 20:53:09 Mark Kettenis wrote: > > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:38:18 +0200 > > From: Eli Zaretskii > > > > > From: Pedro Alves > > > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:55:39 +0000 > > > Cc: dje@google.com, > > > temp@sourceboost.com > > > > > > Users often find this behaviour unexpected (I've often > > > wished GDB would behave like what the OP is suggesting too). > > > > Then why don't we change the behavior to match what users expect? > > Because different users expect different things. I for example would > be somewhat annoyed by having to issue an extra "step". I am regularly annoyed by stepping "unexpectedly" too far. And that's much harder to undo then doing an extra "step". > And the argument that this is what people that are familliar with Visual > Studio are used to is pretty weak. GDB users are used the GDB behaviour! That can't be true as a universal proposition as I know at least one counterexample ;-) I am personally much more of a GDB than a VS user but I live in an environment where people switch operating systems and compilers on a regular base, sometimes by the hour. Being able to transfer skills and "finger memory" between these worlds without having to completely reboot the brain is a big time saver. Not to mention that it one has a pretty tough standing when trying to explain to a user why his IDE behaves completely different when he "only" switched compilers. Anyway, it pretty much looks like there are quite a few people not really opposed to having the "other" behaviour. So maybe we could switch nevertheless -- or maybe having Yet Another Flag would be a solution that makes all of us happy? Andre'