From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18301 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2007 21:10:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 18278 invoked by uid 22791); 30 Aug 2007 21:10:55 -0000 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from sibelius.xs4all.nl (HELO brahms.sibelius.xs4all.nl) (82.92.89.47) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:10:50 +0000 Received: from brahms.sibelius.xs4all.nl (kettenis@localhost.sibelius.xs4all.nl [127.0.0.1]) by brahms.sibelius.xs4all.nl (8.14.1/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7UL8uWd003085; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:08:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from kettenis@localhost) by brahms.sibelius.xs4all.nl (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l7UL8oJf025660; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:08:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:10:00 -0000 Message-Id: <200708302108.l7UL8oJf025660@brahms.sibelius.xs4all.nl> From: Mark Kettenis To: nickrob@snap.net.nz CC: bob_rossi@cox.net, apoenitz@trolltech.com, gdb@sourceware.org In-reply-to: <18132.3298.249088.106225@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (message from Nick Roberts on Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:54:10 +1200) Subject: Re: Questions about gdb/mi support on the Mac References: <46CF1A71.1020002@sun.com> <200708281029.27514.apoenitz@trolltech.com> <18131.58128.433536.819432@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <20070828105502.GA7419@caradoc.them.org> <20070828112438.GJ6213@cox.net> <18132.3298.249088.106225@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> Mailing-List: contact gdb-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: gdb-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2007-08/txt/msg00264.txt.bz2 > From: Nick Roberts > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:54:10 +1200 > > > > > If your frontend must run on a Mac then you either need to compile FSF > > > > GDB for the Mac (if that's possible) > > > > > > It isn't. > > > > Well, in that case, hopefully people realize that apple is making some > > silly decisions by making a monopoly on gdb front ends. Not that I > > believe this was there intention, but I do believe it was a > > consequence of there irresponsibility. > > It's not silly and it's not a monopoly. They're accountable to > their shareholders, not us. While that statement may legally be true, at least in the US, I don't think it is morally right. Companies have responsibilities to the society around it, especially the communities they directly interact with. Of course Apple realises that they can't just take from the Open Source community, but also have to give something back. They did indeed decide to assign their changes back to the FSF such that they can be merged back. But they could (and I believe should) do more than just that. There are a couple of companies that use gdb in their products that are much more active in contributing changes back to us. Mark