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From: Daniel Jacobowitz <drow@false.org>
To: Rob Quill <rob.quill@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Snyder <Michael.Snyder@palmsource.com>,
		Joel Brobecker <brobecker@adacore.com>,
	gdb@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Single stepping and threads
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:33:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061202163336.GA7138@nevyn.them.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <baf6008d0612020827y3fd13229v16e14c24da321e6a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 04:27:12PM +0000, Rob Quill wrote:
> On 30/11/06, Michael Snyder <Michael.Snyder@palmsource.com> wrote:
> >Default on would be a disaster -- most threaded programs would
> >not behave even remotely the same under the debugger as they would
> >solo.
> >
> >In fact, many would deadlock almost immediately.
> 
> I have a question regarding this. In concurrent programming (as we
> were tuaght it), the principle was that the interleaving of
> instructions from threads was random. So, if "on" were the default,
> and a few steps were done in GDB, in fact, as many as it took to
> deadlock the program, surely it is possible (although, however
> unlikely) that when the program is run without GDB that the
> interleaving is the same as that forced by GDB, and the code would
> deadlock. Thus making the code bad, rather than the debugger.
> 
> What I'm trying to say is that it was my understanding that when doing
> concurent programming the interleaving was random and that for the
> program to be "corrent" it should not deadlock under any possible
> interleaving.
> 
> I fail to see how stopping all threads and just going forward with one
> should stop "correct" code from executiong properly.

That's not what "on" does - it would permanently starve all other
threads.

There's also the point that what is correct is not always useful; GDB
tries to interfere as little as practical.

-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz
CodeSourcery


  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-02 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-29  5:29 Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-11-29  5:58 ` Joel Brobecker
2006-11-29 13:25   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-11-29 16:38     ` Joel Brobecker
2006-11-30 13:54       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-11-30 23:36       ` Michael Snyder
2006-11-30 23:54         ` Joel Brobecker
2006-12-01  1:02           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-12-01 22:43           ` Michael Snyder
2006-12-02 16:27         ` Rob Quill
2006-12-02 16:33           ` Daniel Jacobowitz [this message]
2006-12-02 16:36           ` Joel Brobecker
2006-12-04 19:50           ` Michael Snyder
2006-11-30  8:44     ` Robert Dewar
2006-11-30 23:32     ` Michael Snyder
2006-11-30 23:26   ` Michael Snyder
2006-11-30 23:31     ` Joel Brobecker
2006-11-29 12:41 ` Mark Kettenis
2006-11-29 13:36   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-11-30 23:38     ` Michael Snyder
2006-11-30 23:22 ` Michael Snyder

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