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From: Daniel Jacobowitz <drow@mvista.com>
To: Jim Blandy <jimb@redhat.com>
Cc: gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: getting rid of the target stack
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:25:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020627052529.GA15598@nevyn.them.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nphejp2tj1.fsf@zwingli.cygnus.com>

On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:13:38AM -0500, Jim Blandy wrote:
> 
> (Probably Andrew has some document already written up about this, with
> puzzling pictures and everything, but I'll describe the idea anyway.)
> 
> The target stack is a pain in the neck for a variety of reasons:
> 
> 1) It's not a stack; we're always sticking things in the middle, and
>    shlorking them out again later.

Hear hear!

> 2) The elements of the (non-)stack are modules, not objects.  Each
>    layer has its own global variables and global state, which makes it
>    hard to see what's going on.
> 
> One model that seems nicer to me is one in which each thing like a
> core file, a remote protocol connection, or a Linux inferior would be
> an object, with hand-coded vtable, instance variables and all.  All
> their state would be encapsulated in the instance; you could have
> several alive simultaneously; and so on.  This would be part of the
> support needed to have GDB talk to multiple processes simultaneously,
> for example.
> 
> You'd get the layering effect the target stack gives you now by having
> a constructor take a "backup" target object as an argument, to which
> it would delegate method calls it didn't want to handle itself.
> Rather than pushing layer A above layer B, you'd use B as A's "backup"
> target object.
> 
> So assuming this is actually a good idea, how could you get to there
> from here?
> 
> Well, you'd start with the target layers that currently always live at
> the bottom of the stack.  You could re-write them one at a time in the
> more object-oriented style I described above, and use a compatibility
> target layer to talk to them.  Then you'd convert the next layers up.
> Where the code now invokes the next lower target method or directly
> calls a particular lower layer's functions, you'd replace that with an
> operation on the "backup" object.
> 
> Eventually, you'd have all the different layers' state nicely
> encapsulated, and that part of GDB would get a lot easier to
> understand.

I really like this proposal.  Where particularly were you thinking of
starting?

(and, hey, whatever happened to the namespace work we were discussing
earlier?)

-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz                           Carnegie Mellon University
MontaVista Software                         Debian GNU/Linux Developer


  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-27  5:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-26 22:13 Jim Blandy
2002-06-26 22:25 ` Daniel Jacobowitz [this message]
2002-06-27  6:23   ` Jim Blandy
2002-07-01  9:38     ` Namespaces; Was: " Andrew Cagney
2002-06-27  7:44 ` Andrew Cagney

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