From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18528 invoked by alias); 23 Feb 2008 00:01:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 18520 invoked by uid 22791); 23 Feb 2008 00:01:54 -0000 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from bolyai.cs.elte.hu (HELO bolyai.cs.elte.hu) (157.181.226.4) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:01:31 +0000 Received: from lime.cs.elte.hu ([157.181.227.196] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by bolyai.cs.elte.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1JShpW-0006is-LQ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:01:27 +0100 Subject: RE: New MI maintainer From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alp=E1r_J=FCttner?= To: Dave Korn Cc: gdb@sourceware.org In-Reply-To: <007a01c875ab$aae85770$2e08a8c0@CAM.ARTIMI.COM> References: <18363.14758.855327.355215@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <20080220190512.4550A8FC6D@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <18364.37907.135913.269853@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <18366.14530.875406.113087@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <47BF0478.1050209@ix.netcom.com> <20080222220927.GA21434@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> <20080222222124.GH26716@brasko.net> <007a01c875ab$aae85770$2e08a8c0@CAM.ARTIMI.COM> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:58:00 -0000 Message-Id: <1203724876.4440.70.camel@piko.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CS-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-CS-Spam-Report: score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.8 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact gdb-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: gdb-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2008-02/txt/msg00199.txt.bz2 I think, the real issue is not the openness of the project management, but this: > Given that I have made significant contributions > to GDB/MI over a long period of time then it would then seem appropriate to at > least e-mail me off-list before the announcement to inform me of your > intention. As far as I see, nobody has commented on this sentence of Nick. I think it would be worth doing that, at least before blaming him and saying that a global maintainer must have a higher level of ability of being able to avoid heated personal debates. As a complete outsider, my feeling is that if Nick had really been considered as a valuable and important member of the community rather than someone who should be "outmaneuvered", then exactly the same decision would have been communicated toward him in a much more friendly way. Although Nick's responses in this thread are offensive and his statements may even be false, I understand his bad feeling and I must say it - at least partially - justifies his reactions. Some people expected an apology in this thread but nobody seemed to be thinking about whether he should apologize. More than one person made a mistake in this awkward story. I strongly believe that a frank 'sorry' from the one who made the first one would be followed by others. After all, this is a great community of great people. With no exception. All the best, Alpar