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From: "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz>
Cc: drow@false.org, dave.korn@artimi.com, kostik@ispras.ru,
	gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: MI output command error
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:23:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <01c526ed$Blat.v2.4$2b933720@zahav.net.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <16946.4725.343793.980977@farnswood.snap.net.nz> (message from Nick Roberts on Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:49:41 +1300)

> From: Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz>
> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:49:41 +1300
> Cc: Dave Korn <dave.korn@artimi.com>,
> 	Karganov Konstantin <kostik@ispras.ru>, GDB <gdb@sources.redhat.com>
> 
>  > Lack of implementation.  No one's done the work.
> 
> Thats understandable. However, given that MI was introduced in GDB 5.0, I
> think there should be something in the manual explaining this as it seems to
> create a lot of confusion. It needs to be written by someone who understands
> the issue i.e not myself.

I'm all for documenting this in some useful way, but I fail to see how
could this be done.  Describing the async operation itself is already
a big challenge, as the details are extremely confusing, unless you've
read the code several times and have a good understanding of the
underlying system calls (like `poll' and `select').  Differences
between interpreters add another dimension of complexity to this.

> I believe that operation is asynchronous with certain targets,
> although I have never managed to create these conditions, even with
> gdbserver over TCP.

Actually, I think that the asynchronous operation is independent of
the target.  The infrastructure for this is in event-loop.c, which is
not specific to any target.

The problem with implementing async operation with the CLI interface
is, AFAIU, not its dependence on some target-specific feature, but
rather the need to redesig the CLI front end to do something useful
while waiting for a prolonged operation to run to completion.  For GUI
front ends, such as those who use MI, it's clear what to do during
that time, and the separate-process implementation makes it even
easier to design.  By contrast, the CLI interface is part of the GDB
process.

I don't consider myself a specialist in these matters, so please take
the above with a grain of salt (i.e., it might all be wrong ;-).


  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-12 10:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-11 21:05 Nick Roberts
2005-03-11 21:31 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-11 21:36   ` Bob Rossi
2005-03-11 21:39     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-11 21:52   ` Nick Roberts
2005-03-12 10:23     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2005-03-13  9:36       ` Nick Roberts
2005-03-13 15:40         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-13 20:22           ` Nick Roberts
2005-03-13 20:25             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-13 23:33               ` Nick Roberts
2005-03-13 23:38                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-13 19:41         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-03-14  7:16           ` Peter D HUERTER
     [not found] <1110656346.18541.ezmlm@sources.redhat.com>
2005-03-14 19:11 ` Jim Ingham
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-09  2:40 Bob Rossi
2005-03-09 23:22 ` Bob Rossi
2005-03-10  9:33   ` Re[2]: " Konstantin Karganov
2005-03-10 13:06     ` Bob Rossi
2005-03-10 13:43       ` Karganov Konstantin
2005-03-10 14:01         ` Bob Rossi
2005-03-10 14:15           ` Karganov Konstantin
2005-03-10 14:40             ` Bob Rossi
2005-03-10 15:13               ` Karganov Konstantin
2005-03-10 15:52               ` Dave Korn
2005-03-10 16:09                 ` 'Bob Rossi'
2005-03-10 16:13                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-10 17:44                     ` Bob Rossi
2005-03-10 17:52                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-10 20:48                         ` Bob Rossi
2005-03-10 21:10                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-10 21:25                             ` Bob Rossi
2005-03-10 16:23                   ` Dave Korn
2005-03-10 16:34                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-03-10 16:48                       ` Dave Korn
2005-03-10 17:03                         ` 'Bob Rossi'

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