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From: "Jakob Engblom" <jakob@virtutech.com>
To: "'Greg Law'" <glaw@undo-software.com>
Cc: "'Sean Chen'" <sean.chen1234@gmail.com>,
		"'Hui Zhu'" <teawater@gmail.com>, 	<gdb@sourceware.org>
Subject: RE: System call support in reversible debugging
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:16:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <003201ca7373$29b6f590$7d24e0b0$@com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B157A21.9020603@undo-software.com>

> >> Hi Michael and Hui,
> >>
> >> I am sorry for my late response.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your explanation. So we can't treat the system calls as a
> >> black box and have to understand the detailed implementation of each
> >> system call. I think we need to understand every lines of the code in
> >> the system calls carefully enough, and care about the difference of
> >> the Linux kernel since the code of system calls might change
> >> frequently. Do we have any good ways to do it?
> >
> > To really do this right, you should use a full-system simulator that lets
you
> > debug OS and user code at the same time, as it is attacking the system at
the
> > hardware/software interface level.
> 
> It all depends what you want to do.
> 
> If you want to debug kernel code, then absolutely you need a full system
> approach, such as Simics or VMware offers.  Similarly if you want to
> debug the whole host.  But if you're debugging just a process (i.e. the
> classic use-case of gdb), you may not want to wind back the state of the
> entire (virtual) machine.  In which case, something like UndoDB or prec
> is more appropriate.
> 
> I don't claim either approach is superior.  It's a bit like native
> debugging versus remote debugging.  Which one makes most sense all
> depends on what it is you're trying to debug.

Couldn't agree more.  The full-system approach is a bit more gnarly, but it
gives you more insight.  It depends on the problem.

/jakob


  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-02 17:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-27 15:11 Sean Chen
2009-11-27 15:42 ` Hui Zhu
2009-11-27 18:11   ` Sean Chen
2009-11-28  1:45     ` Hui Zhu
2009-11-28 17:44       ` Sean Chen
2009-11-29  2:24         ` Michael Snyder
2009-11-29  2:24           ` Sean Chen
2009-11-30 12:27             ` Michael Snyder
2009-11-30 16:03               ` Hui Zhu
2009-11-30 16:29                 ` Sean Chen
2009-12-01 11:32                   ` Jakob Engblom
2009-12-01 20:21                     ` Greg Law
2009-12-02 17:16                       ` Jakob Engblom [this message]
2009-12-03  3:05                         ` Sean Chen
     [not found]                   ` <4B142C54.7070207@vmware.com>
2009-12-03  2:57                     ` Sean Chen
2009-12-03  9:00                       ` Jakob Engblom
2009-12-04 15:40                         ` Sean Chen
2009-12-03 16:57                       ` Michael Snyder
2009-12-04 15:46                         ` Sean Chen

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