From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4319 invoked by alias); 25 Mar 2004 14:34:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gdb-patches-help@sources.redhat.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: gdb-patches-owner@sources.redhat.com Received: (qmail 4290 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2004 14:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO yosemite.airs.com) (209.128.65.135) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2004 14:34:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 32220 invoked by uid 10); 25 Mar 2004 14:34:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 6936 invoked by uid 500); 25 Mar 2004 14:34:19 -0000 From: Ian Lance Taylor To: Robert Dewar Cc: Bob Rossi , gdbheads@gnu.org, gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com Subject: Re: [Gdbheads] A small patch case study, -file-list-exec-source-files References: <16456.65451.461753.66554@localhost.redhat.com> <20040306155700.GA9439@white> <20040311132508.GA2504@white> <20040323130900.GA17339@white> <40605C9F.2050700@gnat.com> <20040325043648.GA20454@white> <20040325055925.GS1104@gnat.com> <406279E4.3090903@gnat.com> <20040325124313.GA21101@white> <4062E6E1.2070605@gnat.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:34:00 -0000 In-Reply-To: <4062E6E1.2070605@gnat.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-SW-Source: 2004-03/txt/msg00613.txt.bz2 Robert Dewar writes: > Ian Lance Taylor wrote: > > > Robert, it's interesting to read your comments in light of the history > > of the gcc/egcs split. After all, Richard Kenner worked for GNAT at > > the time, and I believe that you did too. In my opinion, Kenner > > expressed the attitude which you express--in his case, stability for > > Ada was the preeminent goal. I think that attitude was a significant > > root cause of the gcc/egcs split. I think that tends to prove my > > earlier point in an extreme case: if you don't make an effort to > > encourage your volunteers, you lose them. > > If you want to prove your point by history, make sure you know the > history. First GNAT is a product, no one works for it. Second, the > company is AdaCore Technologies, I am CEO, Richard is Treasurer :-) > so the past tense is bizarre :-) I apologize for the confusion of names. I see e-mail addresses @gnat.com, so I called the company GNAT. I used the past tense to make clear that I was talking about the situation at the time of the split--I think that is clear from what I wrote. > Third, at the time of the gcc/egcs split, Ada was simply not a factor > and had nothing whatever to do with the events. I was there. I disagree. It absolutely was a factor. It was the elephant in the middle of the room. We at Cygnus were pointing it out loudly. Richard Kenner and Richard Stallman were ignoring it. Ian