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From: "Metzger, Markus T" <markus.t.metzger@intel.com>
To: Simon Marchi <simark@simark.ca>,
	"hjl.tools@gmail.com" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>
Cc: "Lu@sourceware.org" <Lu@sourceware.org>,
	"gdb-patches@sourceware.org" <gdb-patches@sourceware.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v5 03/15] gdb, gdbserver: support dlmopen()
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 07:07:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DM8PR11MB57490560B179CB369995196EDE5CA@DM8PR11MB5749.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2f5a89a5-95e0-44bb-aa47-755451dc0192@simark.ca>

>> @@ -359,14 +370,35 @@ struct svr4_info
>>       probe_and_action->prob->address.  */
>>    htab_up probes_table;
>>
>> -  /* List of objects loaded into the inferior, used by the probes-
>> -     based interface.  */
>> -  struct so_list *solib_list = nullptr;
>> +  /* List of objects loaded into the inferior per namespace, used by the
>> +     probes-based interface.
>> +
>> +     The namespace is represented by the address of its corresponding
>> +     r_debug[_ext] object.  We get the namespace id as agrument to the
>> +     'reloc_complete' probe but we don't get it when scanning the load map
>> +     on attach.
>> +
>> +     The r_debug[_ext] objects may move when ld.so itself moves.  In that
>> +     case, we expect also the global _r_debug to move so we can detect
>> +     this and reload everything.  The r_debug[_ext] objects are not
>> +     expected to move individually.
>> +
>> +     The special entry zero is reserved for a linear list to support
>> +     gdbstubs that do not support namespaces.  */
>> +  std::map<CORE_ADDR, so_list *> solib_lists;
>
>Hi Markus (and others),
>
>I'm currently doing some work inside solib-svr4.c, and I am puzzled by
>the comments that say that _r_debug and ld.so can move.
>
>I noticed that when starting the inferior, we try to read the shared
>library list very early, before the dynamic linker had time to set the
>DT_NEEDED slots.  So at this point, we read read a debug base of 0.  And
>so we need to handle it changing from 0 to the value it will eventually
>have.
>
>But are there really use cases of ld.so relocating mid-execution?  I
>would have hoped that when we have a value for the default debug base,
>we can assume that it won't change.
>
>The only thing related to the debug base changing I found is this:
>
>  https://pi.simark.ca/gdb-
>patches/20080221014732.GA27568@caradoc.them.org/T/#rc0d0f322c8b484e
>cb620ec3d0d6263190e323182
>
>But I wonder if it is still relevant today...

Hello Simon,

This concept of the debug object moving is much older.  See for example:

commit 60d09f0a0d8000359b8f1dd14b51e7f013ea9e5c
Author: Markus Metzger <markus.t.metzger@intel.com>
Date:   Fri Mar 11 06:46:15 2022 +0100

    gdb, solib-svr4: remove locate_base()
    
    Whenever we call locate_base(), we clear info->debug_base directly before
    the call.  Thus, we never cache the base location as locate_base() had
    intended.
    
    Move the svr4_have_link_map_offsets() check into elf_locate_base(), inline
    locate_base() at all call sites, and remove it.


This patch removes some caching of the debug base that had been intentionally
disabled on every call to locate_base(), which was supposed to find the debug
object once and then cache its address for further use.

A typical hunk in this patch is:

@@ -1839,8 +1799,8 @@ svr4_handle_solib_event (void)
       return;
 
     /* Always locate the debug struct, in case it moved.  */
-    info->debug_base = 0;
-    if (locate_base (info) == 0)
+    info->debug_base = elf_locate_base ();
+    if (info->debug_base == 0)
       {
        /* It's possible for the reloc_complete probe to be triggered before
           the linker has set the DT_DEBUG pointer (for example, when the

Maybe H.J. has more information on this; a concrete example, maybe?

Regards,
Markus.
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  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-22  7:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-02 13:24 [PATCH v5 00/15] basic linker namespace support Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 01/15] gdb, testsuite: extend gdb_test_multiple checks Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-13  1:28   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 02/15] gdb, solib-svr4: remove locate_base() Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 23:04   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 03/15] gdb, gdbserver: support dlmopen() Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-19  4:02   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-06-27 12:55     ` Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches
2022-06-30 22:35       ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2025-07-21 20:41   ` Simon Marchi
2025-07-22  7:07     ` Metzger, Markus T [this message]
2025-07-22 14:58       ` Simon Marchi
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 04/15] gdbserver: move main_lm handling into caller Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-19  4:22   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 05/15] gdb, gdbserver: extend RSP to support namespaces Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 16:09   ` Eli Zaretskii via Gdb-patches
2022-06-19  4:32   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 06/15] gdb, compile: unlink objfile stored in module Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-23 17:20   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 07/15] gdb, python: use gdbarch_iterate_over_objfiles_in_search_order Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-24 17:18   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 08/15] gdb, ada: collect standard exceptions in all objfiles Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-24 17:26   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-07-18 16:49     ` Tom Tromey
2022-07-18  5:35   ` Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches
2022-09-14  8:19     ` Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches
2022-09-14  8:37       ` Joel Brobecker via Gdb-patches
2022-09-14  8:45         ` Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 09/15] gdb, ada: update ada_lookup_simple_minsym Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-24 23:42   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-07-18 17:02   ` Tom Tromey
2022-07-19  7:14     ` Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches
2022-09-14  8:19       ` Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches
2022-09-21 16:11         ` Tom Tromey
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 10/15] gdb, ada: update ada_add_all_symbols Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-24 23:53   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-07-18  5:36   ` Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches
2022-07-18 16:56   ` Tom Tromey via Gdb-patches
2022-07-19  7:13     ` Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches
2022-07-19 12:23       ` Tom Tromey via Gdb-patches
2022-07-19 13:49         ` Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 11/15] gdb, cp: update add_symbol_overload_list_qualified Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-24 23:59   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 12/15] gdb, hppa: remove unused hppa_lookup_stub_minimal_symbol Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-25  0:01   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 13/15] gdb, symtab: inline find_quick_global_symbol_language Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-25  0:16   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 14/15] gdb: update gnu ifunc resolve Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-25  0:34   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-06-02 13:25 ` [PATCH v5 15/15] gdb, solib-svr4: support namespaces in DSO iteration Markus Metzger via Gdb-patches
2022-06-25  0:42   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-07-15 10:30 ` [PATCH v5 00/15] basic linker namespace support Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches
2022-07-16  0:04   ` Kevin Buettner via Gdb-patches
2022-07-18  5:33     ` Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches
2022-10-05 11:16       ` Metzger, Markus T via Gdb-patches

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