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From: "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>
To: Joel Brobecker <brobecker@adacore.com>
Cc: GDB <gdb-patches@sourceware.org>,
	Binutils <binutils@sourceware.org>, 	Doug Evans <dje@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] update automake version to 1.11.6
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:57:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMe9rOroAJN=RP5njJXXZ5BHNRBqpk98VasVLDpfFPRNEPNMYg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150323124600.GC5438@adacore.com>

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Joel Brobecker <brobecker@adacore.com> wrote:
>> > i don't have a problem with requiring people to use the same exact
>> version.
>> > i do think that requiring them to build/install by hand is
>> > unreasonable.  it's pretty rare (by design) for projects to do this
>> > sort of thing (commit the generated autotools), so it's pretty rare
>> > for this to be an issue, so it's pretty rare for people to be
>> > required to manage this.  it's a throw back to pre-distro days when
>> > people were used to building/install software themselves, and it's
>> > unnecessary friction for new people to get into the development
>> > process today.  death by a thousand cuts and all that.
>>
>> It's only a barrier for people who need to change the configure.ac or
>> Makefile.am files, which is not most developers.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Also, I don't think that building autoconf and automake once every
> few years, and then using that to generate the files is really that
> much of a barrier. In the meantime, it allows us to avoid the noise
> you get when slightly different versions generate slightly different
> code. I personally do verify the changes in the configure files,
> for instance, and ask myself whether each hunk I see makes sense
> to me or not. Seeing unrelated changes because others used a different
> version makes that process a little harder (and, most of the time,
> I'll just start over, and push a patch that first regenerates the
> file).

We should coordinate this with GCC.   I have been using autoconf
and automake specified in

https://gcc.gnu.org/install/prerequisites.html

-- 
H.J.


  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-23 12:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20150311094134.GE9455@vapier>
2015-03-14  5:30 ` Mike Frysinger
2015-03-19 12:06   ` Joel Brobecker
2015-03-19 22:59     ` Doug Evans
2015-03-19 23:04       ` Mike Frysinger
2015-03-20 23:58         ` Doug Evans
2015-03-21 19:59           ` Mike Frysinger
2015-03-21 21:29             ` Doug Evans
     [not found]             ` <CAKOQZ8y8aYVM0ncJVfEYBcy1vEUaqLJ+C1un3vC51bpbr=wEfQ@mail.gmail.com>
2015-03-23 12:46               ` Joel Brobecker
2015-03-23 12:57                 ` H.J. Lu [this message]
2015-03-23 13:13                   ` Joel Brobecker
2015-03-23 23:46                   ` Alan Modra
2015-03-24  6:16                     ` Mike Frysinger
2015-03-24 17:02                     ` Joseph Myers
2015-03-23 20:21                 ` Cary Coutant
2015-03-23 20:29                   ` H.J. Lu
2015-03-24  6:15                 ` Mike Frysinger

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