From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from simark.ca by simark.ca with LMTP id 0ZqWF+DCFGm8WToAWB0awg (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2025 12:24:48 -0500 Authentication-Results: simark.ca; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gnu.org header.i=@gnu.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=mgqVlv2K; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by simark.ca (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5A1E61E0B8; Wed, 12 Nov 2025 12:24:48 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on simark.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=ARC_SIGNED,ARC_VALID,BAYES_00, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 Received: from server2.sourceware.org (server2.sourceware.org [8.43.85.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange x25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by simark.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 759341E04C for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2025 12:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031A73858CDA for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2025 17:24:47 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 031A73858CDA Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key, unprotected) header.d=gnu.org header.i=@gnu.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=mgqVlv2K Received: from eggs.gnu.org (eggs.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::10]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C2E03858D29 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2025 17:24:04 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 6C2E03858D29 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gnu.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gnu.org ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org 6C2E03858D29 Authentication-Results: server2.sourceware.org; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=2001:470:142:3::10 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1762968244; cv=none; b=FK/Mrq/ubvQhBU8FGmKskar1a349wyuBIG/UgAUnZmwGxWRFYa7Efb+G/kS8cUZsEIy7AcD74TxWe9eC5M9r0n39RnCIkxmOlxwAuu+9VZ1eTNU8xgD8iUO7e2SeJi4ZTJiNi57xxCejGcTT588iP7nhRGVXdKnRhkgjQSsfl/o= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1762968244; c=relaxed/simple; bh=eo8bRGvsZtgIbIq1ltDt856gLK04H4zu7UeJ7PVpClI=; h=DKIM-Signature:Date:Message-Id:From:To:Subject; b=Qr/GPAsBlfQ3dHMce0nW6uTIL1zxUakcMEKQEai+zHsoaKYIK9ReGENPkLNtD5Q4Z/RFQJCqwshI78D4rDEyKsOFhmPEwNWRfsGVDYyEXRCkwVA/aqz3HjG1RDS8Fl6dEprQGsKyDtR3hbJRN0qbSDBexpvRlHzE2JKiUe6O+fg= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; server2.sourceware.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 6C2E03858D29 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1vJEZd-00083g-QW; Wed, 12 Nov 2025 12:24:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=UCreZ/QTRvhe23KKlVYTsLmr4Y8gjybT5BHXzKespV4=; b=mgqVlv2KdQny 1/KQwsOsJGUuelY+pDlLQU/lhUOt4A99IQtwl17EkIFxWBX8cl/xloSrxuQWtUBnBoBb6xJMeDXLE oIIKa50M7iebGTmhoIAhAA6XbdhNNyiEAT3uckqQOIDNmiLvLHy3hoi9ELJXEkt1eMwkINCzhbxBD bi0QVo3IHBmJfKM9F8rvBDOPN0cforxWdBmfIoVtM2F1yXUItdyCoPgoWrXKKMd3lQD9HbQHA9GxI xDhhqsO0uCpn8h82O6vw53rqifC+qHPFsVYd25a+BGgW6vouRdh71Qnk0j8nNg6uh+C4WQ0MxP3ml 39cE/afF+/lJhSGUd5cFjg==; Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2025 19:23:55 +0200 Message-Id: <86seejrwpg.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: "Richard Earnshaw (foss)" Cc: simark@simark.ca, tom@tromey.com, tdevries@suse.de, gdb-patches@sourceware.org In-Reply-To: <18cba048-250a-47a9-a056-8a4e255b7fa5@arm.com> (Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com) Subject: Re: [PATCH] [gdb/python] Use PyConfig for python 3.9 References: <20251017133624.2460264-1-tdevries@suse.de> <87h5vxr4zp.fsf@tromey.com> <86jz0tftrk.fsf@gnu.org> <87qzv1pjy8.fsf@tromey.com> <86ikgdfkd2.fsf@gnu.org> <87zf97c4yw.fsf@tromey.com> <86v7jujkyh.fsf@gnu.org> <865xbrgeo2.fsf@gnu.org> <18cba048-250a-47a9-a056-8a4e255b7fa5@arm.com> X-BeenThere: gdb-patches@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb-patches mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: gdb-patches-bounces~public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2025 16:52:13 +0000 > Cc: tom@tromey.com, tdevries@suse.de, gdb-patches@sourceware.org > From: "Richard Earnshaw (foss)" > > > Btw, the problem is not the system where GDB is compiled, the problem > > is the system on which it runs. > > So how long are we expected to support such an antiquated system? I think that depends on what is required to "support" them. That's what we should talk about, and in practical terms. E.g., if all that's required is not to delete compatibility code (and I'm not saying that's all, I'm just giving an example), it is my opinion that the effort is negligible. > It's already 11 years beyond it's final maintenance update and continuing to pretend we can support it is clearly holding up development of gdb. But does it hold development? If it does, let's identify where it does and talk about that, and maybe we will then decide that the effort is too much. > If the runtime can't support critical improvements of gdb, then surely it's time to reconsider our priorities. Yes, "if". The issue, once again, is whether this "if" indeed materializes. That's what I suggest to discuss.