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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: gdb-patches@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb-patches mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: gdb-patches-bounces~public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org > From: Arsen Arsenović > Cc: "Richard Earnshaw (foss)" , simark@simark.ca, > tom@tromey.com, tdevries@suse.de, gdb-patches@sourceware.org > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2025 19:03:01 +0100 > > I think that, for Windows XP, the repetition of this conversation any > time someone wants to use something that doesn't work on XP is reason > enough to remove it. > > It's a proprietary OS even its vendor abandoned 11 years ago. The > milliwatts spent composing this email are enough to justify ignoring it > further. If we are going that low in our discussion level, then I submit that you could have easily avoided the waste of those milliwatts by not writing that email. Seriously, do you really believe this level of discussion, with the implied quite apparent hostility, is something that should have place here? It's unbecoming. > Frankly, a Windows XP machine that has enough networking hardware to > download the next release of GDB is likely a massive liability in the > first place. Hopefully none are still connected to the internet. There are still a lot of systems running XP in the world. So not dropping support of XP has some advantages for our users, not just disadvantages. The GNU Project, being a Free Software project, has the advantage of not following the lead of the likes of Microsoft in our decisions whether or not we want to help people who use those systems. I thought it was evident, perhaps even perceived as a virtue, but maybe not.