From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2842 invoked by alias); 13 Oct 2016 13:28:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gdb-patches-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: gdb-patches-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 1977 invoked by uid 89); 13 Oct 2016 13:28:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=optimistic X-HELO: eggs.gnu.org Received: from eggs.gnu.org (HELO eggs.gnu.org) (208.118.235.92) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2016 13:28:47 +0000 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bug3t-0005Hy-DB for gdb-patches@sourceware.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2016 09:28:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bug3t-0005Hm-9f; Thu, 13 Oct 2016 09:28:41 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4427 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bug3s-0002BZ-6d; Thu, 13 Oct 2016 09:28:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 13:28:00 -0000 Message-Id: <83shs08jk1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Jan Kratochvil CC: palves@redhat.com, brobecker@adacore.com, markus.t.metzger@intel.com, gdb-patches@sourceware.org In-reply-to: <20161013104542.GA5494@host1.jankratochvil.net> (message from Jan Kratochvil on Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:45:42 +0200) Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] Introduce gdb::unique_ptr Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii References: <83vawybol4.fsf@gnu.org> <6ba388f7-1696-42db-ae92-23df79e3ba11@redhat.com> <83oa2qaxe7.fsf@gnu.org> <83fuo1c02j.fsf@gnu.org> <20161012114515.GA26977@host1.jankratochvil.net> <831szlbwqt.fsf@gnu.org> <20161013090647.GA32613@host1.jankratochvil.net> <83y41s8swm.fsf@gnu.org> <20161013104542.GA5494@host1.jankratochvil.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2016-10/txt/msg00355.txt.bz2 > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:45:42 +0200 > From: Jan Kratochvil > Cc: palves@redhat.com, brobecker@adacore.com, markus.t.metzger@intel.com, > gdb-patches@sourceware.org > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:06:33 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > That depends. Mingw.org has only 5.3.0 as the latest offering, and > > recently enough (a few months ago) it only had 4.9.3. So please be very > > careful when you make assumptions about how widespread a certain > > compiler version is in n on-Posix world. > > 5.3.0 was released 2016-04-27 > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/MinGW/Base/gcc/Version5/gcc-5.3.0-2/ > 4.9.3 was released 2015-07-25 > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/MinGW/Base/gcc/Version4/gcc-4.9.3-1/ That's what I said, without giving the exact numbers, no? > That was after 9 months. 4.8.1 was released May 2013 = 41 months ago. > > I find 9 and 41 months a big difference. Yes, 41 - 9 = 32. So? What is the significance of this for the issue at hand? > Besides that AFAIK mingw.org is dead, it has been superseded by mingw-w64.org. No, it isn't dead and isn't superseded. Your information is wrong. > What are you trying to say? That your assumptions about the availability of latest compiler versions are too optimistic, IMO. On GNU/Linux, and certainly on MS-Windows. > A dead project makes releases 4.5x faster than what GDB would > require for its build. You more justify that GDB could for example > require even C++14. Sorry, I cannot parse these 2 sentences. > And even if someone does not have the C++11 compiler installed most > of the users prefer to install applications (such as is GDB) in a > binary form anyway. Somebody must produce those binaries first. Someone like this guy, for example: https://sourceforge.net/projects/ezwinports/files/ That someone does need to have the required tools.