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From: Robert Dewar <dewar@gnat.com>
To: Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
Cc: Bob Rossi <bob@brasko.net>,
	gdbheads@gnu.org, gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Gdbheads] A small patch case study, -file-list-exec-source-files
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:21:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4064C90C.8000206@gnat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3k719aq4v.fsf@gossamer.airs.com>

Ian Lance Taylor wrote:

> Richard Kenner took specific actions which had every appearance of
> conflict between the demands of being gcc maintainer and the demands
> of being an employee of Ada Core Technologies.  You say that these
> actions had nothing to do with Ada.   My response is that it sure
> looked like they had everything to do with Ada. 

I am telling you the facts, based on talking to Richard nearly
every day in the period both before and after AdaCore was founded.

> I can't read anybody's mind.

Indeed! I suggest not trying. Especially when your uninformed
attempts to do so come out as inappropriate personal attacks.

> Richard Kenner did not make those kinds of statements.

Well what are you saying? Are you saying that Richard's work on
Ada took away some time from volunteer work on maintaining GCC?
Perhaps, but all of us have day jobs! In fact Richard's main
activity at AdaCore was always to work on GCC maintenance.

Are you saying that Richard's technical decisions were influenced
inappropriately by his work on GNAT? If so, then that's what seems
to be to me in the category of inappropriate personal attacks.

It is most certainly true that Richard is *VERY* particular on
what he considers acceptable changes, both from a point of view
of technical content and documentation. Believe me, the others
at Ada Core have had to deal with this ourselves :-)

> I'll add that I'm now sorry that I brought up this ancient history.
> It can't lead to anything good.

True.

> I apologize.  I'll try to stop talking about it.

Sounds like a good idea, especially when your knowledge is limited.
> 
> I'll also add that being a GNU maintainer is an inherently political
> position.  Technical skill is a big part of it, but it is not the only
> part.  People with no political skills are risky choices as GNU
> maintainers.

You don't really mean political skills, though I note the tendency
of technical people to divide all the world up into the technical
aznd political. Really what you mean is skill in dealing with other
people, and yes, of course this is most certainly true.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-27  0:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-25  4:01 -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-03-19  0:09 ` -file-list-exec-source-files Elena Zannoni
2004-03-05 22:36   ` -file-list-exec-source-files Elena Zannoni
2004-03-19  0:09   ` -file-list-exec-source-files Jason Molenda
2004-03-05 23:02     ` -file-list-exec-source-files Jason Molenda
2004-03-19  0:09   ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-03-06 15:57     ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-03-11 13:25     ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-03-19  0:09       ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-03-23 13:09       ` A small patch case study, -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-03-23 15:49         ` [Gdbheads] " Robert Dewar
2004-03-23 16:13           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2004-03-25  4:36             ` Bob Rossi
2004-03-25  5:59               ` Joel Brobecker
2004-03-25  6:11                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2004-03-25  6:19                   ` Robert Dewar
2004-03-25 12:43                     ` Bob Rossi
2004-03-25 13:34                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2004-03-25 14:04                         ` Robert Dewar
2004-03-25 14:34                           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2004-03-25 15:08                             ` Robert Dewar
2004-03-25 15:43                               ` Ian Lance Taylor
2004-03-27  0:21                                 ` Robert Dewar [this message]
2004-03-27  1:02                                   ` Michael Snyder
2004-03-27  1:10                                   ` Ian Lance Taylor
2004-03-25 18:17                     ` Christopher Faylor
2004-03-25 19:27                   ` Michael Snyder
2004-03-25 19:51                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2004-03-25  7:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-25  7:59                   ` Joel Brobecker
2004-03-25 14:21                     ` Bob Rossi
2004-03-25 19:16                 ` Michael Snyder
2004-03-25  6:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-25 19:31                 ` Michael Snyder
2004-03-23 16:14           ` Bob Rossi
2004-03-23 16:56           ` Joel Brobecker
2004-03-23 21:27             ` David Carlton
2004-03-24  6:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-23 21:25           ` David Carlton
2004-03-24  6:34             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-24  5:39           ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-23 20:59         ` Feb's patch resolution rate Andrew Cagney
2004-03-23 21:15           ` David Carlton
2004-03-23 21:31             ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-23 22:07               ` David Carlton
2004-03-24  6:16               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-25  2:05                 ` [Gdbheads] " Richard Stallman
2004-03-25  4:13                   ` Bob Rossi
2004-03-25  6:11                     ` Robert Dewar
2004-03-25  6:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-25 11:08                     ` Mark Kettenis
2004-03-25 16:53                       ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-29 20:55       ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-04-05 21:40         ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-04-12 15:06           ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-04-21  1:10             ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-04-21  4:52               ` -file-list-exec-source-files Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-21 12:20                 ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-04-21 18:41                   ` -file-list-exec-source-files Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-22 15:43                 ` -file-list-exec-source-files Elena Zannoni
2004-04-27  0:05                   ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-05-06 22:13                     ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-05-07 15:24                       ` -file-list-exec-source-files Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <9743-Sat08May2004132930+0300-eliz@gnu.org>
2004-05-17 13:11                         ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-05-22  1:53                       ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-05-23 10:40                         ` -file-list-exec-source-files Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-23 10:51                         ` -file-list-exec-source-files Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-24  2:02                           ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-05-28 12:52                             ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-01 16:07                         ` -file-list-exec-source-files Elena Zannoni
2004-06-01 18:01                           ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-01 18:56                             ` -file-list-exec-source-files Jason Molenda
2004-06-01 21:22                               ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-02 19:22                             ` -file-list-exec-source-files Elena Zannoni
2004-06-03  2:35                               ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-09 18:18                                 ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-09 18:42                                   ` -file-list-exec-source-files Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-06-09 19:17                                     ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-09 19:57                                       ` -file-list-exec-source-files Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-06-10 20:04                                         ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-27 18:12                     ` -file-list-exec-source-files Andreas Schwab
2004-06-27 19:07                       ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-27 20:33                         ` -file-list-exec-source-files Andreas Schwab
2004-06-28 19:48                       ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-28 20:40                       ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-29  4:05                         ` -file-list-exec-source-files Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-29 18:34                           ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-29 18:52                             ` -file-list-exec-source-files Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-29 20:10                               ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi
2004-06-29 20:27                                 ` -file-list-exec-source-files Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-29 20:29                                   ` -file-list-exec-source-files Bob Rossi

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