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From: Andrew Cagney <ac131313@cygnus.com>
To: Daniel Jacobowitz <drow@mvista.com>
Cc: gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFA] Remote UDP support
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 19:56:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CD9E563.3000704@cygnus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020509005348.GA14040@nevyn.them.org>


> I didn't see any of these conclusions when I looked.  Oh well.  None of
> them were in the thread with the original patch or the discussion about
> queuing it for 5.1.

Must be earlier.  I'm also digging.

>> - It isn't at all reliable (rather than mostly reliable as across TCP or 
>> serial).  The entire ``T'' stop packet can be lost and neither GDB, nor 
>> the target, would notice.
> 
> 
> Certainly.  I also see a comment about the G packet needing to fit in
> one UDP packet, although I'm not 100% sure that's right.

I suspect the comment relates to a ``be nice'' to some TCP stacks, and 
possibly to the now removed packet sequence number code (never worked).

>> - it wasn't necessary - there are micro tcp implementations around that 
>> implement sufficient TCP for the remote protocol to work
> 
> 
> Still bigger than a polled UDP implementation, and much more
> complicated.  Implementing a tiny UDP stack is simple!  Sure, it isn't
> reliable at all; so use it on small networks and be careful :)

>> One theory put forward was to have GDB print a banner(6) sized warning 
>> (and get confirmation) before accepting the option.
> 
> 
> I have to admit, I don't see the point.  A big warning in the
> documentation, maybe, but such a confirmation query would drive me
> crazy if I actually needed to use this regularly.

That is the point!  I don't want to be around when someone that (shock 
horror :-) fails to read the manual and then complains that the GDB 
remote protocol isn't reliable.  What about a:

set remote 
i-do-not-understand-gdb-remote-protocol-and-foolishly-think-udp-works-so-please-enable-it 
  on

option.

Have you tried running the testsuite across UDP?

enjoy,
Andrew




  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-09  2:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-08 16:26 Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-08 16:58 ` Michael Snyder
2002-05-08 17:11   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-08 21:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-08 17:39 ` Andrew Cagney
2002-05-08 17:53   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-08 19:56     ` Andrew Cagney [this message]
2002-05-08 20:01       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-09 11:37         ` Michael Snyder
2002-05-09 11:44           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-09 14:18             ` Andrew Cagney
2002-05-09 14:20               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-09 15:27                 ` Andrew Cagney
2002-05-09 20:51                   ` Jim Blandy
2002-05-09 21:28                     ` Jason R Thorpe
2002-05-09 21:45                     ` Andrew Cagney
2002-05-09 22:32                       ` Jason R Thorpe
2002-05-10  8:18                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2002-05-10 13:54                         ` Andrew Cagney
2002-05-10 13:57                           ` Jason R Thorpe
2002-05-10 14:07                           ` Martin M. Hunt
2002-05-11 12:12                 ` Andrew Cagney
2002-05-11 14:32                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-11 15:01                     ` Andrew Cagney
2002-05-12 18:22                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-12 21:44                         ` Andrew Cagney
2002-05-13 10:42                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-13 14:06                             ` Andrew Cagney
2002-05-13 21:32                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz

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