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From: Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>
To: Andrew Burgess <andrew.burgess@embecosm.com>
Cc: Simon Marchi <simon.marchi@polymtl.ca>, gdb-patches@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] gdb: Fix instability in thread groups test
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:03:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2e47657d-b81b-497d-58bf-0463980dec24@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180813114137.GX3155@embecosm.com>

On 08/13/2018 12:41 PM, Andrew Burgess wrote:
> * Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com> [2018-08-13 10:51:44 +0100]:
> 
>> But shouldn't we make GDB handle this better?  Make the output
>> more "atomic" in the sense that we either show a valid complete
>> entry, or no entry?  There's an inherent race
>> here, since we use multiple /proc accesses to fill up a process
>> entry.  If we start fetching process info for a process, and the process
>> disappears midway, I'd think it better to discard that process's entry,
>> as-if we had not even seen it, i.e., as if we had listed the set of
>> processes a tiny moment later.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> We also need to think about process reuse.  So with multiple accesses
> to /proc we might start with one process, and end up with a completely
> new process.
> 
> I might be overthinking it, but my first guess at a reliable strategy
> would be:
> 
>   1. Find each /proc/PID directory.
>   2. Read /proc/PID/stat and extract the start time.  Failure to read
>      this causes the process to be abandoned.
>   3. Read all of the other /proc/PID/XXX files as needed.  Any failure
>      results in the process being abandoned.
>   4. Reread /proc/PID/stat and confirm the start time hasn't changed,
>      this would indicate a new process having slipped in.
> 

My initial quick thought was just to drop the process entry if
it turns out we end up with an empty core set.  

I wonder whether we can prevent PID reuse by keeping a descriptor
for /proc/PID/ open while we open the other files.  Probably not.
Otherwise, your scheme sounds like the next best.

> Given the system is still running, we can never be sure that we have
> "all" processes, so throwing out anything that looks wrong seems like
> the right strategy.
> 
> Also in step #4 we know we've just missed a process - something new
> has started, but we ignore it.  I think this is fine though given the
> racy nature of this sort of thing...
> 
> The only question is, could these thoughts be dropped into a bug
> report, 


Sure.


> and the original patch to remove the unstable result applied?
> Or maybe the test updated to either PASS or KFAIL?

I'd prefer the KFAIL option.  At the very least, a comment in
the .exp file.

Thanks,
Pedro Alves


  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-13 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-10  9:58 Andrew Burgess
2018-08-10 21:26 ` Simon Marchi
2018-08-13  9:51   ` Pedro Alves
2018-08-13 11:41     ` Andrew Burgess
2018-08-13 12:03       ` Pedro Alves [this message]
2018-08-13 13:01         ` Andrew Burgess
2018-08-13 13:38           ` Pedro Alves
2018-08-13 21:45             ` [PATCHv2] " Andrew Burgess
2018-08-14 11:37               ` Pedro Alves

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