From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20317 invoked by alias); 29 Jan 2014 18:57:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gdb-patches-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: gdb-patches-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 20305 invoked by uid 89); 29 Jan 2014 18:57:55 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: e06smtp17.uk.ibm.com Received: from e06smtp17.uk.ibm.com (HELO e06smtp17.uk.ibm.com) (195.75.94.113) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPS; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:57:54 +0000 Received: from /spool/local by e06smtp17.uk.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! Violators will be prosecuted for from ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:57:51 -0000 Received: from d06dlp03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (9.149.20.15) by e06smtp17.uk.ibm.com (192.168.101.147) with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! Violators will be prosecuted; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:57:49 -0000 Received: from b06cxnps4074.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06relay11.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.109.196]) by d06dlp03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EFE1B0805F for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:57:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.228]) by b06cxnps4074.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id s0TIva784391372 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:57:36 GMT Received: from d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id s0TIvmOU028505 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:57:48 -0700 Received: from tuxmaker.boeblingen.de.ibm.com (tuxmaker.boeblingen.de.ibm.com [9.152.85.9]) by d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVin) with SMTP id s0TIvkrt028502; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:57:46 -0700 Message-Id: <201401291857.s0TIvkrt028502@d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com> Received: by tuxmaker.boeblingen.de.ibm.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 29 Jan 2014 19:57:46 +0100 Subject: Re: heads up: GDB 7.7 official release Wed Jan 29th (tomorrow) To: mark.kettenis@xs4all.nl (Mark Kettenis) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:57:00 -0000 From: "Ulrich Weigand" Cc: brobecker@adacore.com, gdb-patches@sourceware.org In-Reply-To: <201401290931.s0T9VTm6025785@glazunov.sibelius.xs4all.nl> from "Mark Kettenis" at Jan 29, 2014 10:31:29 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 14012918-0542-0000-0000-000007CE5E5D X-SW-Source: 2014-01/txt/msg01050.txt.bz2 Mark Kettenis wrote: > > From: Joel Brobecker > > > > OK, I've had a chance to review the patches, and I am definitely > > hesitating. I agree that they can only affect PowerPC. If you feel > > very confident about the patches and want to take responsibility, > > I will go with your call. Advice from the other GMs would also be > > useful. > > > > My preference goes towards getting this code in the master branch > > first, release 7.7 without it, and then re-evaluate. If proven after > > an observation period to be stable in master, we can elect to backport > > the code to 7.7 in time for 7.7.1. But if people prefer, we can also > > accelerate the schedule for 7.8. > > I'd say that rushing changes like this in just before release is just > bad engineering practice in general. And in this case I have a hard > time convincing myself that this will not break existing big-endian > PowerPC targets. This is the sort of stuff that you want to get in > early in a release cycle. I also think we shouldn't do these > feature-driven release adjustments. There's just to many external > variables to take them into account. > > So I'd say this should go onto master after 7.7 has been released, and > 7.8 should be released according to the normal schedule. If meanwhile > IBM or any of the Linux distros wants to ship a 64-bit wrong-endian > PowerPC toolchain they can just take 7.7 and apply the patches. Oh, I'm not so much concerned about the distros -- we'll get those sorted out (and they may need backports to even earlier releases anyway). It just seems it would have been nice for users of the FSF releases to have an official GDB release that works on this new platform in a similar time frame as the other components of the toolchain become available. In any case, if the general sentiment is that we shouldn't do this as a last-minute change at this stage, I can certainly understand and accept that. Thanks, Ulrich -- Dr. Ulrich Weigand GNU/Linux compilers and toolchain Ulrich.Weigand@de.ibm.com