From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1777 invoked by alias); 26 Mar 2013 19:49:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gdb-patches-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: gdb-patches-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 1767 invoked by uid 89); 26 Mar 2013 19:49:02 -0000 X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-9.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,KHOP_PGP_SIGNED,KHOP_RCVD_UNTRUST,KHOP_THREADED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_IN_HOSTKARMA_W,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (HELO smtp.gentoo.org) (140.211.166.183) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.84/v0.84-167-ge50287c) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:48:57 +0000 Received: from vapier.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CB333DB6D; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:48:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger To: "Hans-Peter Nilsson" Subject: Re: Recent simulator patches broke many sims Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:24:00 -0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.7.6; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) Cc: joel.sherrill@oarcorp.com, gdb-patches@sourceware.org References: <201303261935.r2QJZOXc017297@ignucius.se.axis.com> In-Reply-To: <201303261935.r2QJZOXc017297@ignucius.se.axis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2055371.L3B4riSh53"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201303261553.24984.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Virus-Found: No X-SW-Source: 2013-03/txt/msg00986.txt.bz2 --nextPart2055371.L3B4riSh53 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-length: 1605 On Tuesday 26 March 2013 15:35:24 Hans-Peter Nilsson wrote: > > From: Mike Frysinger > > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:15:17 +0100 > >=20 > > On Tuesday 26 March 2013 13:12:38 Hans-Peter Nilsson wrote: > > i see it the other way. doing `make check` for all these > > packages work w/out the user having to dig into esoteric tools > > (that often times lack documentation, or any real semblance of > > an entry point). > >=20 > > for binutils/gcc/etc..., there are plenty of > > compile/link/etc... tests that can be done without needing to > > know about a board. the sim is special in that testing it > > requires running code, >=20 > Thinking you're good without running any runnnable tests? > I guess we have to agree to disagree here. i didn't say that. i did say that quite a significant chunk of functionali= ty=20 can be exercised w/out executing code. requiring people have to a full sta= ck=20 setup to do even basic testing is wrong. no one writes 100% of their chang= es,=20 then compiles it, then runs it. people are a lot more iterative and having= =20 graduated level of testing enables that workflow. > > so it's entirely reasonable for the > > default `make check` to setup a state where the tests actually > > work. >=20 > You know, if someone went to do the work to provide a default > (overridable) target-board for all cross *-elf et al targets at > the toplevel, I wouldn't mind. cris is the only target that i see today that is failing to work with sane= =20 defaults "out of the box". i don't see a global init being necessary (or e= ven=20 useful). -mike --nextPart2055371.L3B4riSh53 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. Content-length: 836 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJRUfy0AAoJEEFjO5/oN/WBtRMP+wZQZt6O442hhdUuYHeQ3N0i tRC8n+hwLFHiPs6nie6kd/SCqIeyrxm+Vey35rESywx1xR4RZYAUFU37ogNX+xA0 JXxXiCRyqcZhkUaOM4CU0QLYHXVHvwcxSkgiPOERuJjfzccSt5CPKzCPiwRzgKpS lUiJ56yMq2gxLINLmkzJyMS/AxNNSwqM38cW0Mnx3Vc6mMX1k6nBCz6CujtNy7QN oqyJgF7alLtFoyk6FYJx6oBuI7IcI0gFFCWRJNnGr39Ry2zA41ko9lbwm5L6AQXU wvxLpoUAf2YOSzairyG2048YH1yJPF5yVHBEfci81dmv0ifwEKArPcVwAWQatsPD 9Bq+vv+nBu6OJocfgtFjuG2O/P5mCD8dCFWPsdzpSfl2FCsVAxlVXo2WlAYWyMfK 2VrjZ/9yVql+TL324X+fs1puiAPbXxRBSYc2XSbbLHD4DQEh/Ac6UogzSFRysrwc F8vlb02S1tY2wozfGSyJx6O+0atdmhrv33zUmiE/NwE8hRx0z365Bu5DG5C4Dv18 kmFC09F0DhPlovblPC+lI006ezF7l6o1q9LWyJLOC3rkuR/HD2qNf/z6gT5lYFWS m7GTy5FfD0aif9V8IcooJBO9q/W6RpnznuxK37uAqiPfBiuNqIy9hL4gO5ka3oB2 oUThizG4iYlziDfwodCi =aBAu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2055371.L3B4riSh53--