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From: Elena Zannoni <ezannoni@redhat.com>
To: Michael Elizabeth Chastain <mec@shout.net>
Cc: drow@mvista.com, msnyder@redhat.com, ezannoni@redhat.com,
	gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFA/PATCH] breakpoint.c: fix until command
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:43:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <15893.41639.744681.895393@localhost.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200301030415.h034FYW05352@duracef.shout.net>

Michael Elizabeth Chastain writes:
 > I think the problem is inherent in the design.  'until' with no argument
 > is meant for getting past loops in the current stack frame.  (The manual
 > says that).  So it makes sense that it skips over all subroutine calls
 > and also stops if the current stack frame inadvertently exits before
 > getting past the end of a loop.
 > 
 > 'until LOCATION' is quite different.  The manual says:
 > 
 >   `until LOCATION'
 >   `u LOCATION'
 >        Continue running your program until either the specified location
 >        is reached, or the current stack frame returns.  LOCATION is any of
 >        the forms of argument acceptable to `break' (*note Setting
 >        breakpoints: Set Breaks).  This form of the command uses
 >        breakpoints, and hence is quicker than `until' without an argument.
 >       
 > Read this way, it looks like 'until LOCATION' is mostly a synonym for
 > 'tbreak LOCATION; continue', with one extra tbreak at the return address
 > in the superior frame.  (break.exp says as much but they forgot about
 > the case where the current stack frame returns).

See the thread from November on gdb@sources.

 > 
 > I think this is bad.  We already have 'tbreak'.  I think it's weird and
 > redundant to have another 'until LOCATION' which is a lot like 'tbreak'
 > and not much like 'until'.
 > 
 > Also I trust Michael Snyder's interpretation of the original intent more
 > than this particular section of The Fine Manual.  It's bad when the manual
 > talks about the implementation of both 'until' and 'until LOCATION' and
 > points out that they are different.  It implies that the original designers 
 > knew they had some inconsistency between 'until' and 'until LOCATION'.
 > 

Which tells me that the design was flawed. 

 > How about this:
 > 
 >   . require that LOCATION in 'until LOCATION' to be in the current
 >     function and after $PC.  If it's not, then error.
 > 
 >   . use the same steppy implementation for 'until LOCATION' as 'until',
 >     not a breakpointy implementation.  In fact, 'until' with no arguments
 >     simply becomes 'until LOCATION' where gdb picks a location by default.
 > 
 >   . change the manual to reflect this
 > 


Definitely the description in the manual needs more detail.  I prefer
the until == tbreak behavior, which seems the most intuitive, given
the replies to the November thread.

I think that using decode_line_1 may be the real problem, because that
allows all kind of arguments to be used, just like for a breakpoint.

 > Specifically, in Elena's case of the factorial: if the user wants to
 > stop at line 99 in ANY frame, they can use 'tbreak 99' or 'break 99'.
 > If the user wants to stop at line 99 in the CURRENT frame, they can use
 > 'until 99'.
 > 
 > And in Elena's second case: what if you are in 'bar' at the moment and you
 > say 'until bar'?  I think that should be an error, because 'bar' is in
 > the current function, but it is not after $PC.

My case was when bar is recursive. you will execute the beginning of
bar again, so 'until bar' would make sense in this case. I think this
is what throws a wrench in the works.

 > 
 > Similarly if you are currently in 'bar' and say 'until quux'.  Just error it.
 > Don't turn it into a tbreak.
 > 
 > This would make both forms of 'until' behave the same, all the time.
 > The user can still do whatever they want.  Want to progress a little in
 > the same frame?  Call 'until', with or without an argument.  Want to be
 > somewhere and not care if the frames change?  Call 'break' or 'tbreak'.
 > 

Don't know, I don't like it, but whatever we do we need to
disambiguate the behavior. It's just plain confusing right now.

 > >From the Peanut Gallery,
 > 
 > Michael C


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-01-03 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-03  4:15 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-01-03  4:59 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-01-03 21:52   ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-03 21:54     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-01-03 22:39       ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-03 23:09         ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-03 14:43 ` Elena Zannoni [this message]
2003-01-03 22:06   ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-03 22:43     ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-03 23:13       ` Michael Snyder
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-11  1:04 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-01-07  4:05 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-01-07  3:53 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-01-04  0:37 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-01-05 17:02 ` Andrew Cagney
2003-01-07  1:30   ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-03 18:03 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-01-03 17:40 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-01-03 17:07 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-01-03 17:51 ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-03 16:48 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-01-03 23:33 ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-03 16:38 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-01-03 16:57 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-01-03  6:49 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-01-03 15:17 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-12-20 10:19 Elena Zannoni
2002-12-23 15:55 ` Michael Snyder
2002-12-23 16:13   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-12-23 16:59     ` Michael Snyder
2002-12-23 19:23       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-01-02 20:25         ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-02 20:34           ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-02 20:40             ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-03  0:12             ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-03  1:44               ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-03  1:50                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-01-03  2:37                   ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-03 14:29                     ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-03 23:51                       ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-03 23:53                         ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-04  0:05                           ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-04  1:54                             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-01-06 22:06                               ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-07  1:27                                 ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-07  1:45                                   ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-07  2:09                                     ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-07  4:31                                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-01-08 22:08                                         ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-09  1:52                                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-01-10 22:25                                             ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-10 22:28                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-01-10 23:20                                                 ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-03 14:15                   ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-03 23:31                     ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-03 23:51                       ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-03 23:58                         ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-03 14:13                 ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-03 23:28                   ` Michael Snyder
2003-01-02 20:01       ` Elena Zannoni
2003-01-02 20:29         ` Michael Snyder

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